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Not enough publicity on some hot topics

blizz -> wysłany:
I think there isn't enough publicity on some hot topics, like for example the Vial of Shadows problem in competitive PvP. They are simply "not visible" for the developers.

Follow the history and see for yourselves:
Nerf DK - 3770 threads - no nerfs or fixes so far!
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=nerf+DK
Nerf Frost Mages - 2652 threads - no nerfs or fixes so far!
Nerf http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=nerf+frost+mages
Nerf Rogues - 2941 threads - no nerfs or fixes so far! Buffed instead.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=nerf+rogues

And you think that with 297 threads on Vial of Shadows someone will actually "see" that problem?
On the contrary - buffed instead (for Hunters).
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=vial+of+shadows

if you want to get something fixed, more publicity and threads are needed.

Either that or Blizzard simply doesn't care on the amount of threads and these Forums are rendered pretty much useless when it comes to PvP issues.

EDIT: Please note, that this is not a "Vial of Shadows" nerf thread. It simply says that there are a lot of things that everyone knows are damn wrong, yet no one ever speaks about them...
blizz -> wysłany:
12/01/2012 14:19Posted by Juddas
Follow the history and see for yourselves:


Those are not very representative though. For example, Rogues have only been really overpowered since 4.3, although personally I find them too strong since 4.1. Either way, they were at best moderately overpowered since 4.1, and only few really complained about them.

Frost Mages on the other hand have had loads of complaints for ages.

What makes these numbers unreliable is the fact that they date back to the first existence of these forums, meaning some of these threads were even still from WotlK. That doesn't give a clear image of what Blizzard does/has done.

Of course, Vial of Shadows has much less threads, but that's because there were no threads about Vial of Shadows back in WotlK.

12/01/2012 14:19Posted by Juddas
more publicity and threads are needed.


Publicity yes, threads no. It is of more use to keep everything in 1 thread, or otherwise these forums will become a mess. And who wants to work in a mess? It will not only be off-putting for CMs to gather feedback from the PvP forums, but it will also make it harder to follow all those opinions and get the right changes.

I'm not saying Blizzard has listened well to the PvP community, but the evidence you use here isn't the right one. Additionally, creating threads like these won't help, while keeping one thread active and with a lot of pages will.
blizz -> wysłany:
12/01/2012 14:30Posted by Juddas
Allow me to rephrase that - more publicity, more discussions :)


But you get more publicity by making 1 big thread than by making 50 small ones like they do now. With 1 big thread, you'll appear on the popular topics section for days, you might get a blue reply so you will end up on the bluetracker etc etc.

With 50 small threads, all you'll get is an extremely messy discussion, which would drive me crazy if I was a CM, and these forums being filled with the same kind of boring thread. It won't make these forums more attractive.

So if you really want some changes, keep a thread which is already popular high on the page rather than creating a new one.
blizz -> wysłany:
12/01/2012 15:05Posted by Leranii
You could pretty much search for "Nerf X" and get a ton of threads


895 ^^

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=nerf%20X&f=post

12/01/2012 15:05Posted by Leranii
-"Nerf Warriors" gave me 5039 results


As mentioned, that one is from quite a couple of patches ago. So no, indeed, searching the forums like that has little effect.
blizz -> wysłany:
Do remember that the search feature goes right back to the creation of the forums and as such you will get many outdated threads, so it is not 100% reliable to take that as an exact statistic for how many threads there are on those topics you mentioned.

12/01/2012 14:19Posted by Juddas
Nerf DK - 3770 threads - no nerfs or fixes so far!

I believe that a large number of these topics have been in reference to Blood Death Knights and their feedback was that Vengeance was making them far too strong in PvP, this could be less of an issue now in the coming patch because of this change:
World of Warcraft PTR Patch 4.3.2 Notes:
Classes: General
Vengeance is no longer triggered by receiving damage from other players.


Nerf Rogues - 2941 threads - no nerfs or fixes so far! Buffed instead.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=nerf+rogues

As again, most of these (if you ignore the ones that are far too old) are feedback players are giving about rogues being too strong mostly because of the legendary quest line daggers and the DS Trinkets. There is a thread here about PvE gear in PvP which I posted in: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3161496140

We are always reading the forums and passing on your feedback to the developers. As Dalrian said though:
12/01/2012 14:35Posted by Dalrian
But you get more publicity by making 1 big thread than by making 50 small ones like they do now. With 1 big thread, you'll appear on the popular topics section for days, you might get a blue reply so you will end up on the bluetracker etc etc.
blizz -> wysłany:
13/01/2012 00:58Posted by Kataya
I'm certain if you had it, you would keep quiet about it.


And you are wrong, but how do you expect me to prove it?

I am still a Rogue and I do still vouch for a damage nerf for Rogues. But well, you are probably just making that comment for the conspiracy theories, aren't you? ^^

Conspiracy theories will get you nowhere.