Do Not Change Crusade.

Tzenjinn	wysłany: 8 lat temu This is the single talent that makes us as Retribution Paladins raid viable. The damage loss of this change will make us no raid viable. We will end up exactly where we we're in the beginning. The buffs of the previous patch will be made useless. I have 3 Avenging Wrath Relics and have the artifact talent max as well. I have 35 seconds of Crusade. Its nice, its great. Its fun. With this change. It will take me 32 seconds to build to 15 stacks with my current judgement being reduced to a 2.3 second cooldown, not counting GCDs for using TV inbetween attacks. Combine that with the fact that Crusade will no longer give haste but instead be replaced with Healing increase. Why would Retribution want increased healing, why would we spend the single biggest damage cooldown we have on healing? Breaking into competative spike DPS will no longer be possible. Please respond and make this issue known and keep this alive to voice our concern. Our spec is at risk for any one enjoying the fact that Retribution can actually push progression with other top PvE classes. Edit: This class was not broken or bad in the first place. The buffs to TV and BoJ were what we needed. There is no need to fix something that wasnt broken in the first place. Leave us alone. Focus on the classes that actually need the help.
Ornyx	wysłany: 8 lat temu Thanks for the feedback on this - I'll send this over and try to get some clarification on what is exactly being changed so we can avoid relying on potentially incorrect datamined information. I'll be back around once I get some insight on this.
Ornyx	wysłany: 8 lat temu 10/17/2016 03:49 PMPosted by Bigblackqt 10/17/2016 03:46 PMPosted by Ornyx Thanks for the feedback on this - I'll send this over and try to get some clarification on what is exactly being changed so we can avoid relying on potentially incorrect datamined information. I'll be back around once I get some insight on this. Best new of the day. Not sure if that's easily done on a monday. I wouldn't bet on this being today, looking at the clock and such, but I hope i'll hear something by tomorrow.
Ornyx	wysłany: 8 lat temu 10/17/2016 04:05 PMPosted by Vorgel <span class="truncated">...</span> I wouldn't bet on this being today, looking at the clock and such, but I hope i'll hear something by tomorrow. Thanks for the acknowledgement. But would it be possible to get information about why this change was considered? Whether the changes go through or not after you bring them our feedback, it would be nice to know their reasoning for changing the most fun part about ret currently. That's one of the questions I've asked. :)
Ornyx	wysłany: 8 lat temu 10/17/2016 04:39 PMPosted by Arentus 10/17/2016 03:46 PMPosted by Ornyx I'll send this over and try to get some clarification on what is exactly being changed so we can avoid relying on potentially incorrect datamined information. What do you mean by "potentially incorrect datamined information"? Up until the most recent PTR build, every datamined change was reflected on the PTR version. As of right now, Crusade isn't even functioning on the PTR, and the tooltip has reverted to the live version (except all of the numbers are replaced with 0). I assume this is a PTR bug that you're seeing. An update on this from the development team: we've reverted the change on PTR that folks were seeing from datamined information. Crusade will be staying the same in 7.1 as it is on live currently. We may take another look at this skill in the future (design-wise), however, and when and if we do so we will look to the community for feedback. Thanks for your feedback on this everyone!
Ornyx	wysłany: 8 lat temu 10/17/2016 05:18 PMPosted by Socomm <span class="truncated">...</span> I assume this is a PTR bug that you're seeing. An update on this from the development team: we've reverted the change on PTR that folks were seeing from datamined information. Crusade will be staying the same in 7.1 as it is on live currently. We may take another look at this skill in the future (design-wise), however, and when and if we do so we will look to the community for feedback. Thanks for your feedback on this everyone! We did it? did we do it? You did it.* *On this topic, at this time, in this instance, etc.