This is a continuation of the discussion about the Vicious i365 vs i371 Honor Point gear change that occurred and hopefully how Blizzard plans to address what happened. Relevant links are below:
Original Posting and Discussion Thread:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2786569136?page=1
First Blue Response (Zarhym):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2786569136?page=2#22
Second Blue Response (Nethaera):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2786569136?page=42#831
Third Blue Response (Nethaera):
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2786569136?page=43#843
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Synopsis:
The original post I created was to illustrate the baseline stat changes between the Vicious i365 Season 9 gear to the new Season 10 i371 Honor Point Gear released at the start of Season 10. From that I will repost a key part of it:
Grand Total of base stats alone for 12 pieces of Warrior PvP gear going from i365 to i371: 5pc Main set, Belt, Boots, Bracer, 2 Rings, Neck, Cloak:
+ 376 Armor
+ 178 Strength
+ 278 Stamina
+ 122 Resil.
This does not take into account the additional stats on each piece like Hit, Crit, Haste, Expertise and Mastery.
Game changing? Not really and is a small percentage change overall. To many, it isn't about the stats, it is about how this unannounced i371 tier of gear was implemented and the lack of any communication about it in the first place.
As an additional note:
Total honor to replace all 12 pieces of gear: 19,450
Honor for PvP Head/Shoulder Enchants: add another 3,000
Main issues and Timing:
1.) Arena/RBG players finished Season 9 in i365 gear bought with hard earned Conquest points and understood that the i365 was to become the new baseline Honor Point gear in Season 10.
2.) During the Season 9/10 transition week, the Honor Point gear vendor started selling Season 9 Vicious Gladiator i365 gear for honor points. Seeing this gear now on the vendor, players believed that the S9 gear in fact just became the new Honor Point level of gear for Season 10.
3.) During the transition week, players used that time and the Alterac Valley Call to Arms weekend to gear up their character(s) in preparation to start Season 10 with i365 quality gear. This includes adding gems and enchantments to this new "Baseline" gear which also takes time and gold to acquire.
4.) After Tuesday's Maintenance, a new tier of i371 "Vicious Gladiator - Season 10" Honor Point gear that was never announced or mentioned in any patch notes replaced the S9 i365 gear on the vendor. This gear sells for the same amount of honor as the S9 did the week before and, unfortunately, now shares the exact same texture/models as the older Bloodthirsty i358 Gear.
This left players wondering why the i371 was not announced so they could plan for it appropriately. It also surprised Arena/RBG Season 9 players because they understood that there would not be a new honor grind for updated tier gear at the start of Season 10.
The Blizzard posts we received admitted they made mistakes and explained what happened. A key part of Zarhym's post that many players latched onto is:
"We agree that the mistakes made were very unfortunate and unfair to a lot of players. We're currently exploring some options to try and alleviate some of the misfortune many of you experienced while purchasing PvP gear in the last week."
What those options are is the key thing we are waiting to hear back on.
This is a continuation of that thread and I sincerely hope we can continue to keep this discussion on topic and constructive.
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For Blizzard Sticky Response from Bashiok, please go here:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2794770941 ------------ Since many players have been saying to PvP players: "It is only 6 ilvls, suck it up". I believe many have the misunderstanding that this is just a "Tier Set" of 5 pieces, it is actually an entire gear set of 12 pieces that have been changed (14 if you include Trinkets). Total honor to replace all 12 pieces: 19,450 Honor to replace two PvP Trinkets: add another 3,300 Honor for PvP Head/Shoulder Enchant: add another 3,000 I will focus on the 12 pieces of primary gear and illustrate the difference. Keep in mind, even the top 0.5% Arena and RBG players at the end of Season 9 were currently in i365 gear as well. 5-Piece Main Warrior PvP Set: Chest, Helm, Legs, Shoulder, Hands. Increase from i365 to i371 Gear (totals across only 5-pc set and not including off pieces) + 250 armor + 93 Strength + 142 Stamina + 62 Resil. + 14 Mastery, +14 Crit, +14 Haste, +10 Exp., +10 Hit Ok if it was just the "Tier" model of 5 pieces that changed... not game breaking but still annoying. Now lets add up the base stats for the seven other standard PvP off-pieces: Belt, Boots, Bracer, 2 Rings, Neck and Cloak + 126 armor + 85 Strength + 136 Stamina + 60 Resil. And an increase of +8 of another stat for each individual off-piece (Mastery, Hit, Expertise, Crit) Grand Total of base stats alone for 12 pieces of Warrior gear: 5pc Main set, Belt, Boots, Bracer, 2 Rings, Neck, Cloak: + 376 Armor + 178 Strength + 278 Stamina + 122 Resil. Add it all up and you can better understand why a 0.5% top Arena player might be a little upset about the fact the new Honor gear is this much higher in stats over their hard earned and fully enchanted Season 9 gear they expected to start Season 10 in. End of Season 9 Blog: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2880562 Quote: "All Season 9 items will cost Honor Points (equivalent to their previous Conquest Point cost) when the season ends, with the exception of any items with rating requirements attached. These items will no longer be available for purchase." Except this new Tier of Honor gear is called: "Vicious Gladiator - Season 10" and is not Season 9 Gear like they state above, it is a whole new ilvl and tier of gear. There is no mention of the S10 i371 Honor gear that I have found from a Blizzard posting and the gear was not on the PTR either. Expect to see lots of BG botters, RBG teams and Arena players in regular Battlegrounds for the next few weeks as people now will re-grind honor to start Season 10 in competitively matched gear. They won't be getting their Conquest gear for a while so this is the only option they have to stay at the top of the ladder and at 2000+ rating... the stat change across a 12-piece set of PvP gear does make a difference. |