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Is Blizzard done with WoW 2.0

blizz -> wysłany:
The last thread was capped and I'm sure people wanted to continue this so lets keep it going.

This is something I've been pondering lately. Has Blizzard decided to just cash out with World of Warcraft? It kind of feels like it lately, but hold on! Before you go and bite my head off let me get my point across. Let me explain where I'm coming from, then you're all more than welcome to rip me a new one.

My biggest concern comes in patch 4.2 with the coming of the Firelands. Yes, it seems like a promising raid but apparently it's two major content patches late. It also was supposed to include the abyssal maw instance, but that has been scrapped. I remember reading in one of the Blue Posts that they "feel the daily quests are so awesome leading up to the firelands, that they really didn't need the other instance. " I personally feel that's just saving face. From what I've heard those 'awesome' dailies are basically some of the most grindtastic quests they have put into the game recently.

Now why do I feel like the above mention means Blizzard has walked away from WoW? Quite simply it feels like the bare minimum effort. It feels token and slap dashed, which is a little bad since Firelands and Abyssal Maw were suppose, according to my knowledge, be launch included. It feels as if these daily quests are just a stall tactic in my honest opinion. It feels as if we are paying the same we have been for years for the bare minimum of content.

This recent expansion is actually the slowest in terms of content production. Burning Crusade was much faster in terms of pushing out content. It even managed multiple raid tiers in short periods of time. Why then is a game that has been around this long actually taking longer to push out content that just isn't as substantial? Is it because they have multiple projects they are working on? Well that can't be it because that would be silly to have only one team working on five different games.

4.1 was another point of contention for me. It just felt like it was something rushed onto stage to stammer and tell some stories about Trolls while Blizzard quickly tried to finish the Firelands behind the curtains. It felt like another stalling tactic, and a reskined one at that. Yes, ZG and ZA were beloved instances in their time. Yes the loot was lovely and yes everyone loves Trolls but what we'd love more than anything is fresh, new content. We would love for new instances, new lore.

It just feels, at least to me, like Blizzard has been putting as little effort as possible into all this. Sure, they remade the world but even then there are spots where it's just a coat of paint over some rust, with Theramore being a perfect example. All of the quests there are exactly the same since Vanilla. They haven't actually changed a single one. You're still discrediting deserters and fighting that kraken in the bay.

I know Blizzard can do amazing things. In fact I saw amazing things in Wrath of the Lich King, in fact I'm still exploring Northrend. Blizzard, I love you guys, you've provided a few years of wonderful entertainment for me and many others but it just feels like you heart isn't in it any more. There are things that need to be addressed and to be totally honest they have been danced around long enough.

Where is Abyssal Maw? Where is our multiple raids/instances per content? Where is the Lore? Where is Deathwing? Where is everything you've promised? Path of the Titans? Dance Studio? Updated player models?

We crave more content per major patch and we crave something more. We were promised a three course meal, and we were expecting just that. What we've been given so far has been rolls. Delicious, tasty, wonderful rolls...but they just aren't the meal we've been promised.



Here is the original post from the original thread. And here is the link to the original thread, so y'all can read the other posts.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2649966340
blizz -> wysłany:

A Blizzard rep responded to that thread. We all know WoW is going to keep going. Every other person including myself know nothing on the inner working of Blizzard, so this thread is just full of people guessing and "thinking they know" whats really going on.

You should be banned just for starting this thread up again.

Its stupid.



Thank you for your constructive criticism towards my posting habits. However the last thread flourished and had people discussing ideas, supporting one another and was all and all a rather fresh, and interesting thread in general. I want to get people talking, people thinking. Light some fires under some people and really get them working :D



Provided the discussing stays constructive and no flame wars/personal attacks occur, I'm fine with this continuing. And yes, I've read every single post. Some have incorrect guesses as to our thinking or incorrect guesses on what they believe I didn't say (or conspiracy theories as to what they think I wasn't saying) which are always interesting to see, but I don't see any harm in the ongoing discussion.

I'm enjoying the discussion and while I think there are some incorrect conclusions or ideas as to our intentions or what people believe our intentions are, I think it's important to let people express those ideas.

I also found very little that needed moderated in the prior thread and for that alone, I think it's worth this discussion continuing.

Just a point to clarify, I wasn't refuting what Paul Sams said about some developers moving to the new MMO. They are in fact "full time" on that project. That said though, I assure you, the company as a whole discusses with each other (cross teams) their thoughts and ideas for all of our projects and internal feedback is just as important (remember we're all gamers and have a core value that "Every Voice Matters") as external feedback is. That's what I meant by those people still being able to give their input. ;) Also, again, many of the designers that I have worked with for years (I'm coming up on my five year anniversary) are still on the team and then we've added new great talent to the team as well. Yes, things have changed and will continue to change, but the our core values ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) remain extremely important to us.

At no point are we trying to be dismissive of people's concerns. We may not always agree or if we do, we may not have the solution right away to those concerns, but we're not impervious to what people are thinking or feeling. Also keep in mind we have a vast array of ideas and feedback to account for. Those that are happy, rarely speak about being happy. Those that are concerned and feel that they could enact change with their feedback, are often heard more. (This is a good thing as I mentioned previously.) So if we seem middle of the road at times, it's only because we need to sometimes maintain that bit of distance so we can keep an eye on the complete picture rather than get too wrapped up in any one thing.

Hopefully that makes some sense to you all. Again, we're listening and thank you for continuing to provide constructive feedback.
blizz -> wysłany:
06/10/2011 11:59 AMPosted by Adriannà

[quote]EDIT: I will note that I'm very jaded when it comes to blizzards treatment of RPers ever since that blue poster with the ghost skull flat out made fun of me when asking about an appearance tab about a year ago.





Adrianna, I understand your passion for this topic, especially in light of the fact that I've been an RPer (RP/PvP) for many many years myself. Please don't take what Zarhym said (if it was him) at face value. I'm sure it wasn't meant to cause you any personal grief. It seems that you are a passionate person and feel very strongly about what you're saying.

That said, I think this thread has gone in another direction and I'd like to ask that you try not to take what others are saying here personally as well. There will always be people who don't understand the draw of RP or feel that if someone says they are an RPer that they must be bad at the game. Sometimes they say it because they don't know better, sometimes they've had a poor experience with someone that was an RPer (or claimed to be), and sometimes it's just because they don't understand it.

Please keep in mind, we've put a lot more of the story into the game with Cataclysm and we plan to add more in. That said, I can't give you more information on the future of character customization, but I can say that in all my many years of MMOs and gaming, I can assure you that adding mechanics to the game to promote RP don't necessarily guarantee that it will occur. RP has to come from the player and the community and unfortunately, that's a rather small (though no less important) portion of the community. On top of that, everyone (even amongst the RP community) tends to have different ideas on how it should be done "right".

Again, constructive feedback is always welcome, I'd just like to caution on getting too far gone in restating arguments too often. People are more apt to accept them for what they are if they don't feel you're trying to force them to see your viewpoint.