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So you want civil discourse?

blizz -> wysłany:
I started this thread in an honest effort to get some actual dialog going without the insults and the anger. I want to see if we do give our best, with the devs in turn give theirs?

01/26/2011 8:51 PMPosted by Zarhym
I challenge everyone reading this who feels similarly to the original poster to help steer this community toward better civil discourse. Don't respond to trolls insulting you. Report them. If you want to vent, be reasonable about expressing why you're frustrated, rather than choosing an inflammatory tone. Vote up the posts you feel have reasonable, well-stated feedback, even if you don't agree with their viewpoints. Vote down the posts that aren't going to lead to anything more than impulsive ranting, finger-pointing, and insults. (Carrying this type of mentality into the game goes a long way as well if you aren't satisfied with some of the behavior around you.)



Ok, so here is a major problem that most players are having. We do vote for posts we like and agree with strongly. We do ask for stickies on 20+ page threads because we agree with it for the most part and feel that it echoes our thoughts.

Instead of responding to hundreds upon hundreds of posts from disgruntled players, we are left to stew for weeks and completely and systematically ignored. After this happens sometimes things do become understandably heated. (case in point the ire over certain proposed class changes that have caused multiple hundreds of posts without even a single blue response)

After all of these posts go completely unanswered for so long, they then get locked or oops they just disappeared. That does not inspire confidence, or imply that you actually care how we feel, in fact it strongly implies the opposite.

You cannot completely ignore so many threads on the same subject, and then delete them. Put yourselves in our shoes. Would you feel like you were being listened to and treated like a valued customer, or would you feel like your opinions meant less than nothing and you were held in contempt?

Regardless of the reasoning for changes and if people are justly or unjustly angry, we become more angry by being ignored than we ever were about the changes or whatever the issue was. If Ghostcrawler and other devs spend so much time playing, they know how passionate we are about this game. The devs could and should take some time out of their day and actually have a dialog with frustrated people. Explain to us why x, y, or z is needed and necessary. We still may not agree but you will not see as much hate and anger directed at the devs.

You do not get respect simply because your name and posts are written in blue. You have to earn our respect by being sincere and respectful yourselves, just like you would when pugging with us. You get paid to do a job many of us would die to do. Sometimes it pays to remember why you have that job. It takes less time per day than a single dps queue, and helps your standing with your player base, and the game we all love so much.

Respectfully, Grizz
blizz -> wysłany:
Thanks Grizz. I appreciate your tone, but I also read this the first two (or more) times you posted it in the original thread you pulled my quote from.

So, cool. The age of civil discourse has begun. But, my response to this thread is kind of paradoxical since it's not about gameplay. Any number of people could come back and ask why I'm choosing to respond to a thread about threads being ignored, rather than respond to these elusive and ignored threads. So I'll stop typing now.
blizz -> wysłany:
...And with regard to providing feedback for us, Crepe has it right.

01/27/2011 3:42 PMPosted by Crepe

And I continue to see blues putting their comments in on some of the most ridiculous and nonsensical threads, yet continuing to ignore the well thought out and constructive ones. They continue to shy away from responding to anything important. It continues to foster the thought that they are blatantly ignoring certain issues.



If you wish to give feedback to the CMs, you're far better off doing so by writing to:

[email protected]

The CMs work for Publicity. Their job is (in part) funneling information on what we're posting about to the development team. They're not developers, pretty much most of the developer feedback is funneled back to us through Ghostcrawler.

There are millions of us. There is one of him.

This is a game forum. A certain degree of levity is not unexpected and it doesn't require 2 meetings with the development team for the CMs to post and interact with us on a silly basis. Sometimes they can find out information for us that we find useful and they do post on issues that some of us find important.

I think your expectations are unrealistic. But that's my own opinion. Other people will no doubt have differing ones.